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May 26, 2026

May Board Meeting

Valley RC Flyers Meeting Minutes – May 26, 2026

Meeting Details

Date: May 26, 2026

Time: 6:30 PM

Location: Valley RC Flyers Flying Field

Attendance

Members Present

Scot Genoch – President
Joe Heilman – Vice President
Dean Gary – Treasurer
Ron Landman – Secretary
Ryan Johnson – Safety Officer
Dean Hoffmeyer – Member Present

Treasurer’s Report

Checking Account: [Redacted]
Savings Account: [Redacted]
Total Funds: [Redacted]

Additional funds pending:

Approximately $100 in Zeffy
Approximately $1,700 expected from awarded Flying Site Improvement Grant reimbursement
TAG Grant decision has not yet been officially received.

Event Schedule Discussion

Upcoming Regional Events and Fun Flies

Rusty Thumbs – May 30, 2026
Alexandria Fun Fly – Early June
BAMS Bismarck Event – June 11–14
Bemidji Area Radio Flyers – June 20
Paynesville Event – July 7
Valley RC Flyers Annual Fun Fly – July 30 through August 2
Fergus Falls Event – August 15
Burnsville Event – August 22

Dean Hoffmeyer offered to provide updated regional event information.

Field and Grounds Updates

Propex Runway Installation

The newly installed Propex runway continues to tighten and settle.

Members discussed that full shrinkage and settling may take up to two weeks.

Early results were viewed positively, especially considering installation occurred only days earlier.

Additional runway markings and paint will be evaluated later after the material fully settles.

Cleanup Efforts

Board members expressed appreciation to all volunteers who assisted with extensive cleanup efforts following wind-blown corn debris accumulation.

Specific appreciation was expressed for:

Club volunteers who assisted with cleanup, mulching, hauling, and pressure washing.

The field and shelter conditions were reported to be significantly improved.

Low Spots and Field Maintenance

Remaining low spots around the field were discussed as potential trip hazards.

Joe Heilman noted that a neighbor may loan a swing steer and trailer later this summer to assist with dirt work.

Fill dirt sourcing options around Fargo/Moorhead and Harwood were discussed.

Dust Control

Dust control application has not yet occurred.

Ron Landman will follow up regarding scheduling and status.

Safety and Field Operations

Safety Stations

No major updates on additional safety station completion.

Existing stations remain usable.

Lipo Battery Disposal Station

The board discussed creating a safe temporary disposal station for damaged or unstable lithium batteries.

Ideas discussed included:

Concrete blocks
Clay or ceramic containers with lids
Fire-resistant containers

Ryan Johnson agreed to continue researching disposal station options. Joe was going to pickup a large landscaping block to use either temporarily, or semi-permanently.

Proper battery disposal logistics were also discussed, including use of:

Interstate Battery
Fargo hazardous waste facilities

Rusty Thumbs Event Planning

Food and Registration

Food signup lists are active.

Remaining food needs will be purchased by the club if necessary.

Free-will donations will continue to be accepted.

Raffle and Prize Planning

The following raffle and prize plans were discussed:

Main Radio Raffle

FrSky X14 radio package provided through Totally RC Hobbies and FrSky
Includes external module for compatibility with multiple receiver systems
Club and Dean Hoffmeyer will split the cost

Planned pricing:

$10 per ticket
Minimum 50 tickets
Maximum 75 tickets

Additional Raffle Structure

$5 each or 5 tickets for $20
Approximately 15 tickets for $50
40 tickets for $100

Door Prize and Other Items

Flying V aircraft to be awarded through registration sign-up drawing.
Dean Gary will provide AMA registration sheets.
Joe Heilman will coordinate the raffle signup materials.
Dean Hoffmeyer will send Joe Heilman an image of the transmitter for promotional use.

Eric Bittman Seminar

Eric Bittman will attend Rusty Thumbs for demonstrations and Q&A.

Timing details are still being finalized.

Membership Update

Approximately 58 total membership purchases have been recorded.

Includes:

Associate memberships
First-year adult memberships

Membership revenue totals approximately $4,300.

Several returning and new members were discussed.

Insurance Renewal

Club insurance renewal is due in July.

Existing infrastructure coverage was reviewed.

No major coverage changes were proposed at this time.

Training Program Discussion

The board discussed establishing an ongoing pilot training sign-up system.

Joe Heilman will:

Possibly Create a QR code signup system
Add signup access to the website with Ryan Jordet
Build an email contact list for prospective trainees

Possible future weekday evening training sessions were discussed.

Annual Fun Fly Planning

Food Vendor

The board agreed to invite the same food vendor used during the 75th Anniversary Fun Fly.

Joe Heilman confirmed the vendor is willing to return.

Pilot Registration

Pre-registration will again be used for the annual event.

Pre-registration cutoff will occur the Wednesday before the event.

Fast check-in envelopes similar to the 2025 system will likely be used again. Help will be needed for this.

Public Air Show

The board agreed to continue featuring a designated public air show time during the annual fun fly.

Additional discussions included:

Potential skydiver participation
EAA flyover possibilities
Possible media outreach through local news stations

Joe Heilman will coordinate advertising and press outreach.

Future Facility and Equipment Improvements

Night Flying Lights

The board discussed future possibilities for:

Additional night flying lighting
Permanent or removable lighting systems
Upgraded shelter lighting

Further member feedback will be gathered before pursuing the project.

Grill and Kitchen Improvements

Potential future purchases discussed included:

Pellet grill options
Gas grills
Stainless work tables
Portable handwashing stations

The board agreed to continue evaluating options and pricing.

Electrical Improvements

The board discussed:

Repairing damaged outlets and outlet covers
Evaluating additional charging stations
Potential mobile power carts for events

Scot Genoch will contact Andrew regarding possible electrical upgrade options and costs.

Clubhouse Painting and Mural Discussion

Rodney Johnson offered to repaint the clubhouse at no labor cost.

Members discussed possible repainting and mural concepts.

Additional discussion and member input will occur before decisions are made.

Potential mural concepts included:

Aviation themes
Valley RC Flyers branding
Florence Klingensmith recognition

Additional Discussions

Next Meeting

The next regular club meeting will be held on:

Tuesday, June 2, 2026

Adjournment

The meeting adjourned following general discussion and planning.

Action Items

Dean Gary

Provide AMA registration sheets for Rusty Thumbs.

Joe Heilman

Coordinate raffle signup materials and promotional items.
Coordinate advertising and press outreach for the Annual Fun Fly.
Work with Ryan Jordet to explore a QR-code based pilot training signup system and website integration.
Continue evaluating options for a safe lipo battery disposal station with Ryan Johnson.

Dean Hoffmeyer

Send Joe Heilman an image of the FrSky transmitter for promotional use.
Continue providing regional event information updates.

Ron Landman

Follow up regarding dust control scheduling and application status.

Ryan Johnson

Continue evaluating options for a safe lipo battery disposal station with Joe Heilman.

Scot Genoch

Contact Andrew regarding possible electrical upgrades and additional charging station options.

Unassigned / Ongoing Discussion Items

Continue evaluating future runway striping and lighting improvements after the Propex runway fully settles.
Gather member feedback regarding possible night flying lighting systems and field audio/speaker improvements.
Continue discussion regarding clubhouse painting and possible mural concepts.
Evaluate replacement of damaged tables and work surfaces with stainless or weather-resistant alternatives.
Review roof screw maintenance and additional shelter upkeep needs.
Continue planning for Annual Fun Fly restroom rentals and wash station setup.
Continue evaluating future grill and kitchen equipment upgrades for club events.
Determine future dirt work plans and low spot repair timing once equipment becomes available.
Continue discussing possible charitable partnerships or fundraising tie-ins for future events.

April 25, 2026

April Board Meeting

Valley RC Flyers Meeting Minutes – April 25, 2026

Meeting Details

Date: Saturday, April 25, 2026
Time: 8:00 AM
Location: Deaner’s Diner

Attendance

Members Present

President: Scott Genoch
Vice President: Joe Heilman
Treasurer: Dean Gary
Secretary: Ron Landman
Safety Officer: Ryan Johnson
Board Members: Mason Genoch, Nicholas Mason
Other Members: Kevin Mason

Call to Order

Meeting called to order at approximately 8:00 AM.

Treasurer’s Report

Checking: ~$redacted
Savings: ~$ redacted
Total Funds: ~$ redacted
Property taxes have been paid
Door prize expenses cleared
Dust control expense pending
MoneyMinder reports shared for transparency

Discussion

Employee matching has significantly increased revenue year-to-date
Prize purchases represent a large recent expense but are largely pre-funded for upcoming events
Financial position remains strong

Financial Strategy

Continued discussion on establishing a reserve/emergency fund (~$5,000 target)
Purpose: cover major unexpected expenses (equipment replacement, etc.)
Consideration of short-term CD laddering for better returns

Clarification

501(c)(3) limits are based on revenue, not assets
Goal to remain under $50,000 annual revenue (3-year average) to maintain simplified reporting

Facilities & Field Improvements

Porta Potty

Discussed purchasing vs. renting
Consensus: seasonal rental preferred over ownership
Ownership concerns include cost, maintenance, and long-term commitment

Picnic Tables

Previously approved commercial tables purchased and delivered

Plan:

Replace damaged tables
Repair others using salvaged parts

Action:

Assemble tables
Add VRCF markings (stencil/paint/3dprint) to deter theft

Safety Stations

New angled design proposed for improved stacking/storage

Discussion points:

Snow fence may be removed due to wind issues and limited effectiveness
Alternative netting materials considered
Avoid weighted bases due to breakage concerns

Plan:

Build 1–2 prototype stations and evaluate before full rollout

Start/Break-In Stations

Existing ground sleeves/pipes still present near shed
Concept: reinstall fixed stations using anchors

Decision:

Revisit after runway improvements

Property Tax Update

Partial exemption approved (due to rented portion of property)
Net effect expected to be close to neutral when offset by rental income
Applies starting next tax year (paid in arrears)

Runway (Propex) Project

Material purchased and ready for pickup
Additional sewing cost (~$700) pending

Estimated roll:

~15 ft wide, ~800 lbs

Installation Plan

Preferred approach: extend runway 50 feet to the north

Benefits:

Minimizes transition seams
Improves landing approach

Preparation

Mow and prep area in advance
Use Roundup and trimming to reduce vegetation
Consider rolling surface prior to installation

Timeline

Target installation: May 16 or 17 (weather permitting)
Backup date: May 23–24 (Cleanup Day weekend)
Goal: complete before Rusty Thumbs event

Events & Activities

Rusty Thumbs (May 30)

Food planned:

Hot dogs
Baked beans
Chips
Pop
Water
Sign-up sheet to be created (Ron)

Spring Cleanup

Scheduled: May 23 (backup May 24)
Light pre-cleaning planned before May 12 meeting

Additional focus:

Equipment cleaning
General maintenance walkthrough

Membership Update

~50–51 paid members to date
Includes some associate and youth members
Strong start heading into outdoor season

Noted:

Some automatic renewal emails sent unintentionally—members should ignore if already paid

Training Program

Updated pilot training program in development:Focus on electric aircraft
Includes lithium battery safety
Includes FAA regulations

Goal:

Provide structured but flexible training materials

Discussion:

Balance needed between thoroughness and accessibility
Avoid overwhelming new pilots

Safety

Discussed lithium battery fire risks

Proposed:

Ceramic container (e.g., flower pot) for battery incidents
Water source nearby for fire control

Fire extinguishers:

Currently available but mostly locked
Plan to make at least one more accessible
Potential for recertifying or replacing units

Maintenance & Grounds

Plan for full maintenance walkthrough during cleanup day

Identified needs:

Stump removal (contact Mark; rent equipment if needed)
Seal gaps in shelter/concession area to prevent water intrusion
Address drainage concerns
Consider fall aeration for runway

Equipment & Purchases

Multiple aircraft acquired at discount for:Raffles
Events
Club well-stocked for upcoming season and major events

Additional Notes

Increased turbine activity expected this season (pilots with waivers)
Discussion of improving training fleet (potential additional trainer aircraft)
Consideration of pest control solutions (mosquitoes, insects)

Adjournment

Meeting adjourned following completion of all business.

Action Items

Assemble and mark picnic tables
Build prototype safety stations
Coordinate Propex pickup and installation
Prepare runway area (mowing, marking, spraying)
Create Rusty Thumbs food signup (Ron)
Confirm dust control application timeline
Continue development of pilot training program
Evaluate fire safety setup (battery containment + extinguishers)
Coordinate stump removal
Conduct maintenance walkthrough during cleanup

March 28, 2026

Board Meeting

Valley RC Flyers – Board Meeting Minutes

Date: March 28, 2026
Time: 8:00 AM
Location: Deaner’s Diner

1. Call to Order

Meeting called to order at 8:00 AM.

2. Attendance

Present:

Joe Heilman
Scot Genoch
Dean Gary
Dean Hoffmeyer

Note: A formal quorum may not have been met.

3. Treasurer’s Report

Checking: [Redacted]
Savings: [Redacted]
Zeffy: [Redacted]
Total Funds: [Redacted]

Voted to Move $5,000 from checking into savings

4. Indoor Fun Fly Recap

Event was well received overall
Attendance impacted by winter storm - no guests from Bismarck, Fergus, Sioux Falls, or Grand Forks
Event did not break even, but still considered a successful event
Interested in a financial report on the entire indoor season costs/revenues

5. Runway Replacement

Dean to coordinate with Ron regarding:

Confirming fabric source (U.S. Fabrics / AMA standard)
Logistics and sewing coordination (TRS likely handling sewing)

Club confirmed ability to fund project internally
Sponsorships (e.g., naming rights) remain optional but not required

Preference for signage rather than runway painting

6. Upcoming Event – “Rusty Thumbs” (May 30)

Food Plan:

Hot dogs, sloppy joes, beans, chips, pop, water
Signup sheet to be coordinated by Ron (sign up genius)

Prize Discussion:

Budget: $750
Preferred approach:

Combination of one larger prize and smaller prizes

Dean to assist with prize list for next meeting

Additional:

Spinner wheel raffle system approved to continue
Avanti raffle:

10 spots remaining (minimum 25 required)
May carry into Rusty Thumbs event if not filled

7. Field Cleanup

Tentative date: May 23
Weather dependent
No additional early cleanup scheduled at this time

8. Audio System for Events

Discussed improving field-wide audio coverage:

Option to purchase low-cost FM receivers (~$15 each)
Utilize members’ existing speakers
Also could watch garage sales, thrift stores, etc for good FM tuner radios

No formal motion; concept supported for future events

9. Transmission Line Project Update

Board members attended Maple River 345kV power line project meeting
Proposed route currently avoids direct impact to the field
Likely at least 1.5 to 2 miles away
No significant interference concerns based on:

Drone testing near transmission lines
Comparable flying fields in similar environments

Timeline:

Route finalized: August 2026
Construction: ~2029

Joe to remain on update list and monitor developments

10. Field Improvements

Picnic Tables

One table requires replacement and another is beginning to deteriorate
Costco commercial folding picnic tables (~$180 each) were discussed
Concerns raised regarding theft risk due to portability
Board agreed to test the Costco option

Motion Passed (Unanimous):

Purchase two Costco commercial folding picnic tables

Porta Potty / Wash Station

Additional porta potty discussed:

Significant cost increase expected if adding units permanently
Concerns about placement fairness across the field

Wash station:

Purchase cost: ~$700–$1,200
Rental option: ~$300–$400
Ongoing maintenance and responsibility concerns noted

Decision: No action at this time

Pilot Stations

One unit damaged; plan to replace 1-2 or so per year as needed
Current design to remain unless another is discovered
Potential improvement:

Remove/reduce snow fence from stations to reduce wind impact

Joe and Scot to coordinate build effort
Estimated cost: ~$100 per unit (very rough estimate)

11. Club Meeting – April 11

Conflict with Indoor Fun Fly and leadership availability
Options discussed:

Skip meeting
Hold informal virtual update (Google Meet)

No meeting planned at this time

12. Equipment / Tractor Discussion

Discussed potential partnerships for:

Donated or leased mower/tractor (demo unit concept)
Joe Heilman and maybe Dean Hoffmeyer to explore possibilities

Long-term need identified:

Estimated $10,000–$15,000 future investment

No immediate action

13. Additional Notes

Electricity costs:

Approx. $60–$90/month

Discussed potential alternative energy options (solar/fuel cell concept)

Exploratory only - contact Landon Lee

14. Adjournment

Meeting adjourned (time not recorded).

Prepared By

Joe Heilman (with assistance from Chat GPT)

March 6, 2026

Club Meeting

Valley RC Flyers

Membership Meeting Minutes
Date: March 6, 2026
Time: 6:00 PM
Location: Soccer Bubble

Presiding Officer: Scot Genoch, President

1. Call to Order

The meeting was called to order at 6:00 PM by President Scot Genoch.

2. Treasurer’s Report

Dean provided the financial update:

Checking: $REDACTED
Savings: $REDACTED
Zeffy: $REDACTED
Total Funds: $REDACTED

The club remains in strong financial standing.

3. AMA charter renewal

Completed by Ron and Joe.

4. Indoor Fun Fly – March 14, 2026

Event Time

Event scheduled for March 14 (3/14)
Facility rented from 10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
Public event hours: approximately 11:00 AM – 5:30 PM
Setup from 10:00–11:00 AM
Three turf quadrants will be used (same layout as last year)
25 tables and chairs available
Access to garage door for loading
No food or beverages allowed on turf (water only)

Registration & Roles

Registration: Jim Gadbury and Roger Genoch
Announcing & contest coordination: Joe Heilman and Scot Genoch
Need new business cards and wrist bands for the event. Joe to secure.
Park Board did not request proof of insurance but we can get it if needed.

Confirmed Prizes

Avanti 80mm EDF
AeroScout
Three T-Motor AM 40 combos
Jersey Modeler $100 coupon
Spektrum receiver
Bloody Wonder kit (Flite Test)
UMX Eratix BNF $139.99 ordered from Big Sky Hobby
UMX Ultrix $89.99 Lights $17.99 and battery. Ordered from Big Sky Hobby.
Eric Bittman will bring the Edge 540 Super PNP to the Fun Fy $228.00
Totally RC Hobbies will donate an RC Truck. Prize board or Raffle $350.00 value

Raffle Format

$2.00 per ticket or 15 tickets for $20
3 tickets for early registration
5 tickets for game winner prizes
Ron and Scot to help with selling raffle tickets

Contest Ideas

Musical Planes (Musical Chairs format)
Carrier landing challenge
Gates
Combat - no prize
Limbo - no prize

Facility rental cost remains approximately $2,500. Rent has been paid

5. Runway Replacement Project

Timeline

Target timeframe: Mid to late June, after Rusty Thumbs
Weather dependent

Estimated Costs

Propex material: approximately $2,500
Stitching: approximately $1,400
Additional possible costs: sand, bobcat rental, ground prep
Estimated project total: roughly $5,000+

Runway Taxiways Discussion

Proposal to add 3 ~25 ft taxiways to west side of runway to facilitate staging of aircraft without interfering with takeoff and landing
Does cause more effort for mowing but not a deal breaker
Maybe don’t have to be 25’, shorter is OK
One suggestion was to make the fabric three pieces wide instead of three, then just mark off the taxi or staging area with paint or tape.
This adds to cost
Since the quoted fabric is 15’ wide instead of the 16’ we have now, we should look into wider fabric rolls and maybe that will help with the staging area as well as cover the current fabric completely.
Will ask Dean G to check on the fabric width options

6. FlyCat EDF Raffle

David Tsen donated a Hobby King Black Hawk 70mm EDF (with retracts and receiver).

The tickets were sold
Winner drawn - Brian Rust

7. Rusty Thumbs

Prize budget $750.00
Food - we checked and the local scout troop with the concession trailer is only licensed to serve in Cass County.
We will just do something ourselves.
Field Clean Up - likely May 23, 2026 weather permitting

8. Adjournment

The meeting concluded and members transitioned to indoor flying.

February 28, 2026

Board Meeting

Valley RC Flyers

Board Meeting Minutes

Organization: Valley RC Flyers Club Board Meeting
Location: Deaner’s Diner
Date: (February 28th meeting)
Time: 8:00 am
Recorder: Ron Landman

1. Attendance

Present: Scot G, Dean H, Ron L, Ryan Johnson, Ryan Jordet, Andrew O, Kevin M, Landon, Nickolas M

Absent:
Joe H, Dean G

2. Treasurer’s Report

Savings: $REDACTED
Zeffy $REDACTED
Total referenced balance: $REDACTED
AMA charter renewal completed by Joe and Ron
Indoor facility rental confirmed and paid to Fargo Park District

3. Indoor Fun Fly (Two Weeks Away)

Event Details

Rental time: 10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
Event time: 11:00 AM – 5:30 PM
Concessions confirmed
Tables, chairs, and signage handled
No simulator this year
Business cards may be distributed (Tyler to confirm availability)

Insurance

Need to confirm if a letter of coverage is required by the Parks Board
Ron to verify with Joe

4. Prize Budget & Purchases

Indoor Event Budget

Additional $500 prize budget approved

Big Sky Hobby Partnership

Jeremy at Big Sky Hobby offering 10% discount.

Proposed UMX aircraft options:

UMX Eratix (~$139)
UMX Ultrastick (~$109.99)
UMX Altrix (~$90 + $18 for lights)

Discussion Result:

Likely purchase: Eratix + Altrix (with lights)
Consider including batteries instead of purchasing three aircraft
Estimated total including shipping: ~$400

Dean to contact Jeremy and finalize.

Additional Sponsorship Outreach

Twisted Hobby (pending response)
Flex Innovations (Mason coordinating via Eric Bittman)
Possible donation: Profile Edge 40–20
Dean (Total Hobby RC) may donate truck and planes for raffle/demo

5. Contest Planning (Indoor)

Contests discussed:

Carrier Landing
Pylon Race
Limbo
Combat
Musical Chairs
Obstacle Course (limited due to gate transport issue)

Decision:

List all contests as possibilities
Adjust based on participation and interest
Obstacle course may be dropped due to logistics
Proposal: Award raffle tickets instead of physical prizes
Suggested: 5 tickets per contest winner
Approved approach: Combination of recognition + raffle tickets

Prizes

Main prize (Avanti Jet 80mm) via raffle board (numbered 1–50, spun electronically)
Remainder of prizes by raffle tickets stuffed in boxes

6. Printed Materials

Update sponsor list
Include QR code for digital access to event flyer
Print limited physical copies

Ryan to finalize document with Joe.

7. Runway Replacement

Levi Heller (civil engineer) consulted
Current material choice deemed best option
Slight potential savings through contractor but not worth logistical complexity
50 ft lengthening plan discussed (50 ft to the north, preferred for only a single transistion)
Plan to:

Mark area
Apply weed killer
Avoid disturbing soil excessively
Fill low spots with sand

Purchase previously approved; Dean to confirm order status

8. Field Improvements & Equipment

Safety Barriers

Some aging and storm-damaged
Consider:

Adjustable or fold-flat design
Permanent stations
Possibly only deploy during events

Bleachers

Interest expressed in small (2–3 tier) bleachers for events
Monitor for donation or discounted options
Potential $1,000 estimate

Taxiways

Proposal: Add 2–3 taxi strips (25 ft each)
Would:

Improve safety
Reduce interference with runway operations

To be evaluated during runway upgrade

9. Fence & Spring Cleanup

Minor fence repair needed (clips and straightening sections)
Spring cleanup to be scheduled before first fun fly

10. Shelter Improvements

Ceiling installation remains incomplete
Materials already on site
Plan for small volunteer workday in spring

Pest Issues

Asian beetles were severe last year
Essential oil deterrents suggested
Monitor for recurrence

11. Restroom Discussion

Current portable toilet aging
Consider:

Seasonal rental instead of ownership
Additional unit for large events

Permanent septic deemed unfeasible due to flooding and environmental regulations

12. Electrical Improvements (Long-Term)

Consider trenching conduit for:

Fence lighting
Night flying light towers

No immediate action taken

13. RV Camping

High camper turnout at last event
No plans to provide electrical hookups
Space currently adequate but nearing practical capacity

14. Concessions

Major electrical issue at last event due to lightning damage
Emergency repair performed morning of event
Discussion of outsourcing food to Scout troops or youth organizations

Would reduce volunteer workload
Ron to investigate options

15. Equipment & Financial Planning

Lawn equipment functioning well
Recommendation:

Build larger savings reserve for emergency mower replacement ($5k–$10k potential)
Consider gradually transferring funds to savings

16. Future Prize Planning ($750 Budget Approved)

Rusty Thumbs event
Annual Fun Fly event
Consider:

Aircraft
Tools
Chargers
Battery accessories

Monitor vendor sales for best opportunities

17. Additional Business

Detroit Lakes donation approved: $100
Nitro fuel discussion (limited current interest)
No bulk fuel order planned at this time

18. Adjournment

Meeting adjourned following completion of discussion.